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T206 Baseball Set Complete Set Question - ffimarriott - 10-21-2019 I have a question (in 3 parts) regarding the number of cards within the T206 set. First, I have been collecting this set since 1989, and am 27 cards away from finishing it (minus the big four of course). The below list came from t206 dot org. The list shows 514 cards, with ten (10) known variations (noted as bv in their list). So when you add these to the below list of 514 cards, you do get the magic number of 524 cards. However, there are also ten (10) other variations t206 dot org noted them in red font in the below list that to me, are just printing or similar flaws. 1. Do I assume that the variations in red font are not part of the actual set? 2. Are all bv variations part of the set? 3. What the heck is the final count without the big four, 520? CHECKLIST WITH VARIATIONS: 1. Ed Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) 2. Ed Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves) 3. Fred Abbott 4. Bill Abstein 5. Doc Adkins 6. Whitey Alperman 7. Red Ames (Hands At Chest) 8. Red Ames (Hands Above Head) 9. Red Ames (Portrait) 10. John Anderson 11. Frank Arellanes 12. Herman Armbruster 13. Harry Arndt 14. Jake Atz 15. Home Run Baker 16. Neal Ball (New York) 17. Neal Ball (Cleveland) 18. Jap Barbeau 19. Cy Barger 20. Jack Barry (Philadelphia) 21. Shad Barry (Milwaukee) 22. Jack Bastian 23. Emil Batch 24. Johnny Bates 25. Harry Bay 26. Ginger Beaumont 27. Fred Beck 27v. Fred Beck (missing magenta ink) 28. Beals Becker 28v. Beals Becker (missing magenta ink) 29. Jake Beckley 30. George Bell (Hands Above Head) 31. George Bell (Pitching Follow Thru) 32. Chief Bender (Pitching No Trees In Background) 33. Chief Bender (Pitching Trees In Background) 34. Chief Bender (Portrait) 35. Bill Bergen (Batting) 36. Bill Bergen (Catching) 37. Heinie Berger 38. Bill Bernhard 39. Bob Bescher (Hands In Air) 40. Bob Bescher (Portrait) 41. Joe Birmingham 42. Lena Blackburne 43. Jack Bliss 44. Frank Bowerman 45. Bill Bradley (Portrait) 46. Bill Bradley (With Bat) 47. Dave Brain 48. Kitty Bransfield 49. Roy Brashear 50. Ted Breitenstein 51. Roger Bresnahan (Portrait) 52. Roger Bresnahan (With Bat) 53. Al Bridwell (Portrait No Cap) 54. Al Bridwell (Portrait With Cap) 55a. George Brown (Browne) (Chicago) 55bv. George Brown (Browne) (Washington) 56. Mordecai Brown (Chicago On Shirt) 57. Mordecai Brown (Cubs On Shirt) 58. Mordecai Brown (Portrait) 59. Al Burch (Batting) 60. Al Burch (Fielding) 61. Fred Burchell 62. Jimmy Burke 63. Bill Burns 64. Donie Bush 65. John Butler 66. Bobby Byrne 67. Howie Camnitz (Arm At Side) 68. Howie Camnitz (Arms Folded) 69. Howie Camnitz (Hands Above Head) 70. Billy Campbell 71. Scoops Carey 72. Charley Carr 73. Bill Carrigan 74. Doc Casey 75. Peter Cassidy 76. Frank Chance (Batting) 77. Frank Chance (Portrait Red Background) 78. Frank Chance (Portrait Yellow Background) 79. Bill Chappelle 80. Chappie Charles 81. Hal Chase (Holding Trophy) 82. Hal Chase (Portrait Blue Background) 83. Hal Chase (Portrait Pink Background) 84. Hal Chase (Throwing Dark Cap) 85. Hal Chase (Throwing White Cap) 86. Jack Chesbro 87. Ed Cicotte 88. Bill Clancy (Clancey) 89. Josh Clark (Columbus) (Clarke) 90. Fred Clarke (Pittsburgh Holding Bat) 91. Fred Clarke (Pittsburgh Portrait) 92. J.J. Clarke (Cleveland) 93. Bill Clymer 94. Ty Cobb (Portrait Green Background) 95a. Ty Cobb (Portrait Red Background) 95bv. Ty Cobb (Portrait Red Background Ty Cobb Back) 96. Ty Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder) 97. Ty Cobb (Bat On Shoulder) 98. Cad Coles 99. Eddie Collins (Philadelphia) 100. Jimmy Collins (Minneapolis) 101. Bunk Congalton 102. Wid Conroy (Fielding) 103. Wid Conroy (With Bat) 104. Harry Covaleski (Coveleski) 105. Doc Crandall (Portrait No Cap) 106. Doc Crandall (Portrait With Cap) 107. Bill Cranston 108. Gavvy Cravath 109. Sam Crawford (Throwing) 110. Sam Crawford (With Bat) 111. Birdie Cree 112. Lou Criger 113. Dode Criss 114. Monte Cross 115a. Bill Dahlen (Boston) 115bv. Bill Dahlen (Brooklyn) 116. Paul Davidson 117. George Davis (Chicago) 118. Harry Davis (Philadelphia Davis On Front) 119. Harry Davis (Philadelphia H. Davis On Front) 120. Frank Delehanty (Louisville) 121. Jim Delehanty (Washington) 122a. Ray Demmitt (New York) 122bv. Ray Demmitt (St. Louis) 123. Rube Dessau 124. Art Devlin 125. Josh Devore 126. Bill Dineen (Dinneen) 127. Mike Donlin (Fielding) 128. Mike Donlin (Seated) 129. Mike Donlin (With Bat) 130. Jiggs Donohue (Donahue) 131. Wild Bill Donovan (Portrait) 132. Wild Bill Donovan (Throwing) 133. Red Dooin 134. Mickey Doolan (Batting) 135. Mickey Doolan (Fielding) 136. Mickey Doolin (Doolan) 137. Gus Dorner 137v. Gus Dorner (Dopner) 138. Patsy Dougherty (Arm In Air) 139. Patsy Dougherty (Portrait) 140. Tom Downey (Batting) 141. Tom Downey (Fielding) 142. Jerry Downs 143av. Joe Doyle (NY Nat'l Hands Above Head) 143b. Joe Doyle (NY Hands Above Head) 144. Larry Doyle (Portrait) 145. Larry Doyle (Throwing) 146. Larry Doyle (With Bat) 147. Jean Dubuc 148. Hugh Duffy 149. Jack Dunn (Baltimore) 150. Joe Dunn (Brooklyn) 151. Bull Durham 152. Jimmy Dygert 153. Ted Easterly 154. Dick Egan 155a. Kid Elberfeld (New York) (Portrait) 155bv. Kid Elberfeld (Washington) (Portrait) 156. Kid Elberfeld (Washington) (Fielding) 157. Roy Ellam 158. Clyde Engle 159. Steve Evans 160. Johnny Evers (Portrait) 161. Johnny Evers (With Bat Chicago On Shirt) 162. Johnny Evers (With Bat Cubs On Shirt) 163. Bob Ewing 164. Cecil Ferguson 164v. Cecil Ferguson (missing magenta ink) 165. Hobe Ferris 166. Lou Fiene (Portrait) 167. Lou Fiene (Throwing) 168. Steamer Flanagan 169. Art Fletcher 170. Elmer Flick 171. Russ Ford 172. Ed Foster 173. Jerry Freeman 174. John Frill 175. Charlie Fritz 176. Art Fromme 177. Chick Gandil 178. Bob Ganley 179. John Ganzel 180. Harry Gasper 181. Rube Geyer 182. George Gibson 183. Billy Gilbert 184. Wilbur Goode (Good) 185. Bill Graham (St. Louis) 186. Peaches Graham (Boston) 187. Dolly Gray 188. Ed Greminger 189. Clark Griffith (Batting) 190. Clark Griffith (Portrait) 191. Moose Grimshaw 192. Bob Groom 193. Tom Guiheen 194. Ed Hahn 195. Bob Hall 196. Bill Hallman 197. Jack Hannifan (Hannifin) 198. Bill Hart (Little Rock) 199. Jimmy Hart (Montgomery) 200. Topsy Hartsel 201. Jack Hayden 202. J. Ross Helm 203. Charlie Hemphill 204. Buck Herzog (Boston) 205. Buck Herzog (New York) 206. Gordon Hickman 207. Bill Hinchman (Cleveland) 208. Harry Hinchman (Toledo) 209. Dick Hoblitzell 210. Danny Hoffman (St Louis) 211. Izzy Hoffman (Providence) 212. Solly Hofman 213. Bock Hooker 214. Del Howard (Chicago) 215. Ernie Howard (Savannah) 216. Harry Howell (Hand At Waist) 217. Harry Howell (Portrait) 218. Miller Huggins (Hand At Mouth) 219. Miller Huggins (Portrait) 220. Rudy Hulswitt 221. John Hummel 222. George Hunter 223. Frank Isbell 224. Fred Jacklitsch 225. Jimmy Jackson 226. Hughie Jennings (One Hand Showing) 227. Hughie Jennings (Both Hands Showing) 228. Hughie Jennings (Portrait) 229. Walter Johnson (Pitching) 230. Walter Johnson (Portrait) 231. Fielder Jones (Chicago) (Hands At Hip) 232. Fielder Jones (Chicago) (Portrait) 233. Davy Jones (Detroit) 234. Tom Jones (St Louis) 235. Dutch Jordan (Atlanta) 236. Tim Jordan (Brooklyn) (Batting) 237. Tim Jordan (Brooklyn) (Portrait) 238. Addie Joss (Pitching) 239. Addie Joss (Portrait) 240. Ed Karger 241. Willie Keeler (Portrait) 242. Willie Keeler (Batting) 243. Joe Kelley 244. J.F. Kiernan 245. Ed Killian (Pitching) 246. Ed Killian (Portrait) 247. Frank King 248. Rube Kisinger (Kissinger) 249av. Red Kleinow (Boston) (Catching) 249b. Red Kleinow (New York) (Catching) 250. Red Kleinow (New York) (With Bat) 251. Johnny Kling 252. Otto Knabe 253. Jack Knight (Portrait) 254. Jack Knight (With Bat) 255. Ed Konetchy (Glove Above Head) 256. Ed Konetchy (Glove Near Ground) 257. Harry Krause (Pitching) 258. Harry Krause (Portrait) 259. Rube Kroh 260. Otto Kruger (Krueger) 261. James Lafitte 262. Nap Lajoie (Portrait) 263. Nap Lajoie (Throwing) 264. Nap Lajoie (With Bat) 265. Joe Lake (New York) 266. Joe Lake (St. Louis) (Ball In Hand) 267. Joe Lake (St. Louis) (No Ball In Hand) 268. Frank LaPorte 269. Arlie Latham 270. Bill Lattimore 271. Jimmy Lavender 272. Tommy Leach (Bending Over) 273. Tommy Leach (Portrait) 274. Lefty Leifield (Batting) 275. Lefty Leifield (Pitching) 276. Ed Lennox 277. Harry Lentz (Sentz) 278. Glenn Liebhardt 279. Vive Lindaman 279v. Vive Lindaman (missing magenta ink) 280. Perry Lipe 281. Paddy Livingstone (Livingston) 282. Hans Lobert 283. Harry Lord 284. Harry Lumley 285av. Carl Lundgren (Chicago) 285b. Carl Lundgren (Kansas City) 286. Nick Maddox 287av. Sherry Magie (Magee) 287b. Sherry Magee (portrait) 288. Sherry Magee (With Bat) 289. Bill Malarkey 290. Billy Maloney 291. George Manion 292. Rube Manning (Batting) 293. Rube Manning (Pitching) 294. Rube Marquard (Hands At Thighs) 295. Rube Marquard (Pitching Follow Through) 296. Rube Marquard (Portrait) 297. Doc Marshall 298. Christy Mathewson (Dark Cap) 299. Christy Mathewson (Portrait) 300. Christy Mathewson (White Cap) 301. Al Mattern 302. John McAleese 303. George McBride 304. Pat McCauley 305. Moose McCormick 306. Pryor McElveen 307. Dan McGann 308. Jim McGinley 309. Iron Man McGinnity 310. Stoney McGlynn 311. John McGraw (Finger In Air) 312. John McGraw (Glove At Hip) 313. John McGraw (Portrait No Cap) 314. John McGraw (Portrait With Cap) 315. Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn) 316. Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) 317. Matty McIntyre (Detroit) 318. Larry McLean 319. George McQuillan (Ball In Hand) 320. George McQuillan (With Bat) 321. Fred Merkle (Portrait) 322. Fred Merkle (Throwing) 323. George Merritt 324. Chief Meyers 325. Clyde Milan 326. Dots Miller (Pittsburgh) 327. Molly Miller (Dallas) 328. Bill Milligan 329. Fred Mitchell (Toronto) 330. Mike Mitchell (Cincinnati) 331. Dan Moeller 332. Carlton Molesworth 333. Herbie Moran (Providence) 334. Pat Moran (Chicago) 335. George Moriarty 336. Mike Mowrey 337. Dom Mullaney 338. George Mullen (Mullin) 339. George Mullin (Throwing) 340. George Mullin (With Bat) 341. Danny Murphy (Batting) 342. Danny Murphy (Throwing) 343. Red Murray (Batting) 344. Red Murray (Portrait) 344v. Red Murray (Portrait) (Murr'y) 345. Chief Myers (Meyers) (Batting) 346. Chief Myers (Meyers) (Fielding) 347. Billy Nattress 348. Tom Needham 349. Simon Nicholls (Hands On Knees) 350. Simon Nichols (Nicholls) (Batting) 351. Harry Niles 352. Rebel Oakes 353. Frank Oberlin 354. Peter O'Brien 355a. Bill O'Hara (New York) 355bv. Bill O'Hara (St. Louis) 356. Rube Oldring (Batting) 357. Rube Oldring (Fielding) 358. Charles O'Leary (Hands On Knees) 359. Charles O'Leary (Portrait) 360. William O'Neil 361. Al Orth 362. William Otey 363. Orval Overall (Hand Face Level) 364. Orval Overall (Hands At Waist Level) 365. Orval Overall (Portrait) 366. Frank Owen 367. George Paige 368. Fred Parent 369. Dode Paskert 370. Jim Pastorius 371. Harry Pattee 372. Billy Payne 373. Barney Pelty (Horizontal Photo) 374. Barney Pelty (Vertical Photo) 375. Hub Perdue 376. George Perring 377. Arch Persons 378. Francis Pfeffer 379. Jake Pfeister (Pfiester) (Seated) 380. Jake Pfeister (Pfiester) (Throwing) 381. Jimmy Phelan 382. Eddie Phelps 383. Deacon Phillippe 384. Ollie Pickering 385. Eddie Plank 386. Phil Poland 387. Jack Powell 388. Mike Powers 389. Billy Purtell 390. Ambrose Puttman (Puttmann) 391. Lee Quillen (Quillin) 392. Jack Quinn 393. Newt Randall 394. Bugs Raymond 395. Ed Reagan 396. Ed Reulbach (Glove Showing) 397. Ed Reulbach (No Glove Showing) 398. Dutch Revelle 399. Bob Rhoades (Rhoads) (Hand At Chest) 400. Bob Rhoades (Rhoads) (Right Arm Extended) 401. Charlie Rhodes 402. Claude Ritchey 403. Lou Ritter 404. Ike Rockenfeld 405. Claude Rossman 406. Nap Rucker (Portrait) 407. Nap Rucker (Throwing) 408. Dick Rudolph 409. Ray Ryan 410. Germany Schaefer (Detroit) 411. Germany Schaefer (Washington) 412. George Schirm 413. Larry Schlafly 414. Admiral Schlei (Batting) 415. Admiral Schlei (Catching) 416. Admiral Schlei (Portrait) 417. Boss Schmidt (Portrait) 418. Boss Schmidt (Throwing) 419. Ossee Schreck (Schreckengost) 420. Wildfire Schulte (Front View) 421. Wildfire Schulte (Back View) 422. Jim Scott 423. Charles Seitz 424. Cy Seymour (Batting) 425. Cy Seymour (Portrait) 426. Cy Seymour (Throwing) 427. Spike Shannon 428. Bud Sharpe 428v. Bud Shappe (Sharpe) 429. Shag Shaughnessy 430. Al Shaw (St Louis) 431. Hunky Shaw (Providence) 432. Jimmy Sheckard (Glove Showing) 433. Jimmy Sheckard (No Glove Showing) 434. Bill Shipke 435. Jimmy Slagle 436. Carlos Smith (Shreveport) 437. Frank Smith (Chicago F. Smith On Front) 438a. Frank Smith (Chicago White Cap) 438bv. Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston) 439. Happy Smith (Brooklyn) 440. Heinie Smith (Buffalo) 441. Sid Smith (Atlanta) 442. Fred Snodgrass (Batting) 442v. Fred Snodgrass (Batting) (Nodgrass) 443. Fred Snodgrass (Catching) 444. Bob Spade 445. Tris Speaker 446. Tubby Spencer 447. Jake Stahl (Glove Shows) 448. Jake Stahl (No Glove Shows) 449. Oscar Stanage 450. Dolly Stark 451. Charlie Starr 452. Harry Steinfeldt (Portrait) 453. Harry Steinfeldt (With Bat) 454. Jim Stephens 455. George Stone 456. George Stovall (Batting) 457. George Stovall (Portrait) 458. Sam Strang 459. Gabby Street (Catching) 460. Gabby Street (Portrait) 461. Billy Sullivan 462. Ed Summers 463. Bill Sweeney (Boston) 463v. Bill Sweeney (Boston) (missing magenta ink) 464. Jeff Sweeney (New York) 465. Jesse Tannehill (Washington) 466. Lee Tannehill (Chicago L. Tannehill On Front) 467. Lee Tannehill (Chicago Tannehill On Front) 468. Dummy Taylor 469. Fred Tenney 470. Tony Thebo 471. Jake Thielman 472. Ira Thomas 473. Woodie Thornton 474. Joe Tinker (Bat Off Shoulder) 475. Joe Tinker (Bat On Shoulder) 476. Joe Tinker (Hands On Knees) 477. Joe Tinker (Portrait) 478. John Titus 479. Terry Turner 480. Bob Unglaub 481. Juan Violat (Viola) 482. Rube Waddell (Portrait) 483. Rube Waddell (Throwing) 484. Heinie Wagner (Bat On Left Shoulder) 484v. Heinie Wagner (Bat On Left Shoulder) (missing magenta ink) 485. Heinie Wagner (Bat On Right Shoulder) 486. Honus Wagner 487. Bobby Wallace 488. Ed Walsh 489. Jack Warhop 490. Jake Weimer 491. James Westlake 492. Zack Wheat 493. Doc White (Chicago Pitching) 494. Doc White (Chicago Portrait) 495. Foley White (Houston) 496. Jack White (Buffalo) 497. Kaiser Wilhelm (Hands At Chest) 498. Kaiser Wilhelm (With Bat) 499. Ed Willett 500. Ed Willetts (Willett) 501. Jimmy Williams 502. Vic Willis (Pittsburg) 503. Vic Willis (Throwing) 504. Vic Willis (With Bat) 505. Owen Wilson 506. Hooks Wiltse (Pitching) 507. Hooks Wiltse (Portrait No Cap) 508. Hooks Wiltse (Portrait With Cap) 509. Lucky Wright 510. Cy Young (Cleveland) (Glove Shows) 511. Cy Young (Cleveland) (Bare Hand Shows) 512. Cy Young (Cleveland) (Portrait) 513. Irv Young (Minneapolis) 514. Heinie Zimmermann RE: T206 Baseball Set Complete Set Question - ricelynnevans75 - 10-21-2019 Do I assume that the variations in red font are not part of the actual set? The cards may be variations, however they are not officially recognized as such. It was likely just something where the printer was low on or out of ink. While the card may be unique, it's not technically considered a variation. The only variation that is truly recognized as such is the Magie/Magee card. Are all bv variations part of the set? Not officially. If you'd like to chase them for your own set just to include that, it might be a cool addition however. What the heck is the final count without the big four, 520? The final count without the big four is in fact 520. There have apparently been some collectors/dealers/etc who have included the Cobb red portrait with Cobb back as part of the master set which would then make it an overall (with big 4) 525 card set but there aren't many people out there who seem to look at that card in that light. RE: T206 Baseball Set Complete Set Question - ffimarriott - 10-21-2019 Thanks so much!! |