[rjcj2017]

I agree, though I'm trying to keep an open mind and give them the benefit of the doubt as far as seeing how the "new old" products look for football and basketball ... i.e. Topps Chrome, Finest, Bowman/Bowman's Best, etc.

For example, had they been able to produce licensed cards in time for this year's rookie classes, imagine the potential for Stroud and Wembanyama Chrome autos, parallels, etc.

My big thing is also how much content they are going to proivide relative to the cost.

Example ... Topps Chrome basketball versus Prizm basketball.

Currently you get 24 cards for $34.99 for Prizm basketball, with no guarantees of auto or mem cards.

Sadly, beyond that, the top rookies seem to be really hard to pull.

I busted 7 blasters of 2023-24 Prizm looking for Wemby and around 13 blasters of 2021-22 looking for Cade Cunningham and pulled a grand total of ZERO of either player.

That's like $700 flushed directly down the drain.

If Topps Chrome follows the same model, then, well, I'm not too interested.

But, if their NBA content is anything like their McDonald's or Overtime Elite products, plenty of autos and parallels at the $24.99 to $29.99 price point, then I'm good with it.

But, as you said, if they continue to just cater to the DB Breaker Brigade and continue to raise prices and lower content, then that might be the final knell to me.

[ZSDOne]

Given how they've constantly lowered content and increased prices in their one sport they got the license people care about, I stand by my other thread title - Fanatics will make us miss Panini

[ZSDOne]

Zenith football up on Panini direct for $325 for anyone who wants to set their money on fire

[jplarson]

Zenith football up on Panini direct for $325 for anyone who wants to set their money on fire

I cut out the middle man and lit my money on fire. I'm doing my part to lower inflation!

[ZSDOne]

I cut out the middle man and lit my money on fire.  I'm doing my part to lower inflation!

Well, it would if people actually used cash

[rjcj2017]

Don't get me started on that. My problem is I was born 50 years too late.

[ZSDOne]

$1000 a start and $150 floor for two Spectra parallels numbered to /8

The Great New Collectors are saying "sign me up"

https://www.paniniamerica.net/2023-panin...-pack.html

[rjcj2017]

Never understood how this works.

Good thing is, I couldn't care less.

[ZSDOne]

Panini has new terms and conditions up - and new football stuff up on the rewards site - I have no idea what I missed, but I know I used the 250 points I had on a De'Von Achane Luminous autograph /350 on the grounds that he had a strong rookie year, I like Luminous, and I didn't have an Achane auto - and it was a 2023 product and if I got an Achane auto out of the Rookies & Stars blaster I got the points, I'd be happy with it.

That means I have no more Panini Points to worry about

[ZSDOne]

And back to topic about Panini definitely trolling football card collectors now:

2023 Donruss Optic Hobby Blasters with Hobby Blaster Exclusive Fire parallels which are every bit as DBN Case Breaker GEM FIRE BANGER BROS as you'd expect

https://assets.paniniamerica.net/catalog...g_copy.jpg

Also apparently these hobby blasters have 4 memorabilia and 1 autograph per case of 20 - remember when regular retail blasters of Optic had 1 memorabilia card per box and sold so badly that they were available at a discount at every Wal-Mart in America over 2 years after its release and they were still found up to the start of the Great New Collectors in 2020 Covid bubble? Yes, Great New Collectors they really could barely even give away 2017 Optic blasters even after Mahomes won his first MVP.